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02/21/10 07:21 PM  
Liefmans Goudenband Assistance

First time post on here (I posted in the wrong section a few minutes ago). I'm pretty active on the morebeer and northernbrewer forums, but i though this place could help me better with my search. I have searched through the forums as best I can and couldnt find this...Do any of you have info on the malt bill in Liefmans Goudenband? I am basically looking for any information I can get on what is in this beer (yeah yeah I know water hops barley yeast bugs)...But seriously whatever info you could provide would be great to help me come up with a recipe.

On a side note I just brewed a Oud Bruin on Thursday. Going to use the Roselare blend in 5 gallons and Russian River Consecration dregs in the other 5 gallons.

Rob B
02/21/10 07:29 PM  
Re: Liefmans Goudenband Assistance
From Wild Brews...

p120- a single grist of 70% pilsner and 20% of the darkest caravienne and caramunich available plus 10% maize....

p126- begins life at 25ibus....

Good Luck!


02/21/10 07:34 PM  
Re: Liefmans Goudenband Assistance
Figures I can't find my copy, I thought it was in there. I gotta clean up my shelves in the garage! Thanks for the info. Does it happen to say anything about if it is aged in oak (although I am guessing it is and thats should just be known).
02/22/10 02:15 AM  
Re: Liefmans Goudenband Assistance
From Wild Brews again:

p67-derived from the blending of different ages of a single dark wort matured in stainless steel tanks. Aged in stainless steel, Goundenband exhibits a predominantly lactic tartness.

02/22/10 07:10 AM  
Re: Liefmans Goudenband Assistance
To answer the second question you might need more detail. Namely, pre-Rive Goudenband or post? Before things left Oudenaarde it was a very different beer. My guess would be that a switch from wood to stainless was a big factor, but I can't say that I really know. But I do know that with this change it went from one of my absolute favs to "WTF is this???" Ironically, details of exactly what changed when things shifted to Riva would probably be better covered on the other board! Guys like Joris might not be able to say how to brew Goudenband (though who knows) but I bet he could provide some excellent details on what happened with the move.
02/22/10 04:25 PM  
Re: Liefmans Goudenband Assistance
Thanks again for the info.

I am interested in pre-Rive. The good stuff. I havent been able to taste the newer version but I have multiple years of the older versions at home. Thats the ones I like, well it also appears that everyone likes better.

02/22/10 04:55 PM  
Re: Liefmans Goudenband Assistance
Then the "Aged in stainless steel, Goundenband exhibits a predominantly lactic tartness." part of the description does not fit, it didn't used to be.

Here is another tidbit you'll probably not be able to corraborate in any text. It was a suspicion of mine, I had a chance to sit down with Michael Jackson some years ago and discuss this directly. He confirmed my suspicion was on target.

Leifmans has made Goudenband for ages, but I also have an old empty of Liefman's Oud Bruin. Wait a minute - isn't Goudenband considered (or should I say 'wasn't' Goudenband considered) the quintessential Oud Bruin? How then is Liefmans Oud Bruin not a redudancy?

Quite simple. The straight up stuff was Liefman's Oud Bruin. If you want to recreate the former Goudenband you need to do what Liefman's did to make this more special beer - blend.

02/22/10 06:37 PM  
Re: Liefmans Goudenband Assistance
I'm loving this new info about my favorite commercial beer! I wish there was more background info out there for people on this brew. Hopefully other people can benefit from this info.

I don't really know the ins and outs of posting here so is there a way to message Joris or flag Joris to this post to get thoughts?

02/22/10 10:02 PM  
Re: Liefmans Goudenband Assistance
You could pop his name into the subject I suppose. I'm not so sure you'll find the available info out there on this beer all that helpful. I had a pretty basic question that could not really be addressed without going to Jackson. Anyway, and this is just an opinion, but that said nearly all the info out there you can get about making anything resembling Goudenband is worthless. I think very few people understood it.
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